My third interview with Goh Meng Seng (People’s Power Party)
Wednesday,
13 May 2026 @ Singapore
Interview length: 2 hours.
Goh Meng Seng: The political landscape has changed very much.
Both
the opposition and ruling party have gone through renewal process. In fact, the
opposition have a lot of change when Tan Cheng Bock formed Progress Singapore Party.
But the middle ground was pro-PAP. On the spectrum, you have white, some grey,
blue, some green in between. The middle class support him because of his past
record in government. He made a mistake. He should have formed an alliance with
other political parties at the end of 2018.
In
Malaysia, Anwar became the PM, right now, through an alliance. In my view, that
should be the way in democratic young countries like us. He [TCB] wants a full
control, he didn’t want to share power, that’s my view.
In
2022, he [TCB] had an acceptable result, he had two NCMPs. In 2025, he lost
both. He was forced to retire, I don’t think his party will make a comeback
again unless he makes a coalition which I think they are trying to do but it’s
a bit too late.
So,
what we want is a progressive government, to have a more balanced
representation. That’s the immediate goal. PAP has 60% votes but 90% of the
seats in Parliament. That is not very healthy as a model of political
representation. Even so the majority rule in Parliament is very fragile.
Because you are having a monopoly of power but only a 60% rating. It can go out
of power. A lot of Singapore opposition community will laugh at it but it’s a
true assessment. PAP actually knows
that. We have become something like in UK. It was normally two-party system,
but one party is in government. But Lib Dems made a breakthrough when there was
a hung parliament. They went in with Labour. I think it will happen again with
Reform. In Singapore we need a party to be a confirmed minority like Lib Dem or
Reform. I am comparing three systems- Singapore, Malaysia, and UK.
In
my opinion, the Singapore system is unstable. It will either go in Malaysia or
UK direction. Two-party system can only go so far due to diversity and the
speed of information in the world. It is very hard to control information flow
in a digital world. LKY [Lee Kuan Yew] railed about this in one of his
speeches. We don’t even have a satellite dish, there is a need for the economy to
grow, and you have to green up the entire system. The effect is very limited.
At any point in time people can set up another website. How can you control?
The mechanism of full control is not available.
Back to the 60% rate, there are three parts of our population. Officially, we have six million population, including the foreign workers. Our citizens are 3.7 million. Among this 3.7 million, about 30% are new citizens, not indigenous citizens. I believe those who have been born in Singapore, they have lost the majority. They [PAP] have lost the trust of the Singapore citizens.
Kieran James: It is like Hong Kong now.
GMS: Precisely. The new citizens support the PAP. They bring in 20-30K. I have seen the statistics. There is a great discrepancy. I have actually pointed it out. In fact, I think this year or last year, resident births do not cover resident deaths. The increase in population now mostly comes from new citizens. They will become old citizens. They will face the same challenges we face- high cost of living, high tax. Their [PAP’s] power base will be eroded, even with the influx of new citizens. PAP is in a desperate situation. We don’t have the third force, like Lib Dem. We might end up with a hung parliament. Having said that, Workers’ Party is very like PAP, so they won’t have any trouble working together.
KJ: What do you think about the writing of Yaw Shin Leong out of Workers’ Party history?
GMS: Nobody is perfect.
Both WP and PAP have people who are adulterers. That is their personal
relationship. Nobody can guarantee that they can have a perfect relationship.
Let’s keep it private. Singapore is a very conservative society but it’s not a
big problem. Let them settle their own personal problem. Shanmugan was divorced
and got remarried.
Does
that make you an unacceptable person? Do we care? As long as they carry out
their duties, it should be fine. We cannot expect a perfect person to be up
there. Lying is a worse thing in the public domain. Lying under oath is a much
worse thing. If you lie in Parliament, how can I be assured that what you say
is true? We have a strange position on that.
I find it complex that such a strict form of morality exists. I find the way they manage adulterers is just a political exercise to get rid of the people they don’t want. It’s got nothing to do with public interest, that’s my view. Singaporeans have a very warped sense of morality.
KJ: Is Singapore a socially conservative society?
GMS: We have many
conservatives among Singaporeans- the churchgoers, the mosque-goers, even some
of the Buddhists. However, it does not mean we have the right values or
perspective. What works for personal morality and public issues? Every
political party tries to be populist in that sense. It tries to consider
whether the voters are conservative or not. If you look at it in an objective
way, if your CEO is an adulterer, will you sack him? What you value is the
skill set of him running the company, nothing to do with his personal life.
People do get carried away, from your business. But if the CEO lies to the
boss, will you report it? We have a very slanted value out of what’s important,
that’s my view.
In the past, LTK [Low Thia Khiang] is in charge. But, why now, in spite of agreeing Pritam was convicted, given a [formal letter of reprimand] by the party, it’s a joke. Does it mean he is truly indispensable? Nobody should be indispensable if you run a party well. Like Iran, if you kill the first general, a second general will come up. It is a very big issue.
KJ: Tell me more about the Yaw Shin Leong case?
GMS: In 2001, JBJ [J.B.
Jeyaretnam] left, LTK had no choice but to take on people he barely knew but
they were tigers, highly motivated people, they speak their own minds. We argue
a lot, we had a clash of ideas, we are fighters. After 2006, LTK thought he may
be out of control because of our team of fighters. We had a certain standing.
We revived the party.
When
it comes to YSL, the information was deliberately leaked about his affairs. In
fact, I also think that the information [leak] was deliberate, not PAP but the WP.
Shin
Leong has much better parliament speeches even than Pritam. He has a much
better skill in organization. Pritam was with the army, it is sad that when you
feel you are unable to manage people, he always feels that he is sharper than
you, eventually they will lose one way or the other. You must maintain your
relevance by eliminating people who are more vocal than you or not loyal to
you.
So, if you look at the new WP, there is nothing exciting or sharp. So, all the strong guys naturally left. I think that there is something wrong with their system. A good leader may not be the smartest or greatest person in the organization, but he must manage that who are stronger than him. We are lacking this in WP.?
KJ: Was Pritam the wrong choice as successor in your view?
GMS: Pritam was the wrong choice, … definitely.
GMS: After the CEC meeting, LTK was driving me back. I asked LTK why he did not appoint YSL. He said he annulled his first marriage because he had an affair. LTK knows about that. But he still stood in Hougang. Later on, all the information came out about his adultery. He did it.
KJ: Do you think the punishment was too harsh?
GMS: When anybody has a personal relationship issue like this, the most important thing is his wife forgives him. It’s not up to us to judge. He did not resign. He was OK for the party to sack him. I am very puzzled by all this happening. You put someone in an important constituency when you have full knowledge of his past. When the shit hit the fan, you threw him under the bus. This changed the way I view the party. Look at the totality, look at how you treated Eric Tan, look at how you treated Shin Leong, I’m shocked really. It shows there is something very wrong with the culture. This will deter WP from rising up. You will end up with MPs who are mediocre. If you are fighting a strong opposition, you must put in the right people. They may win under the brand of WP, but how long can they sustain that?
KJ: How is YSL remembered today?
GMS: YSL- he is basically forgotten.
KJ: Will you be involved in politics?
GMS: I have actually
given up on politics in Singapore. It is about societal, the cultural mindset.
We have too many new citizens who don’t know the past- it is part of the
problem of globalization. It is sad, there is nothing we can do, I’ve done my
part, so be it. To progress, you need a situation which can be sustainable in
the long term. It is like a wayang [puppet] show. No-one talks about
serious issues anymore. No-one talks about how politics impacts.
We
are in the midst of an east-west conflict, US-China. We have so many people
becoming citizens. Where there is a global political system, where do we start
in a global context? With the new citizens, if India and China have a war, what
will happen then? The dynamics are quite serious in this era. Nobody dares to
talk about that, because the new citizens are their potential voters. We need
to address this situation as a nation. The citizenship should not be given up
that easily. If you have 40-50% of people that don’t share the cultural roots
or the national concern of the land, you are going to be in trouble. These are
issues nobody wants to talk about. It’s a very practical issue in advance of
what might happen.
Now
we know the motive for this climate change [agenda] is not as scientifically-based
as we think. The weather has been changing for hundreds of years, but is it
really due to the carbon in the atmosphere?
My
party is the only party talking about carbon tax and the link to climate
change. We are the only ones talking about nuclear power. We might wait a bit
longer for the safer technology of nuclear fusion to come.
The voters are not ready for such policy issues. They like branding, they are more influenced by branding. They don’t have time to look at party policies, it’s very different from England.
KJ: You came very close that year, 2011 (in Tampines and Marine Parade).
GMS: It’s OK, but we are not at the right place at the right time with the voters. I want to walk away from this politicized branding, but to focus on issues which are very concerning. There are issues that are very concerning for a small country like Singapore. If we do not protect the family unit, we will not have more babies. Why are people not giving birth? It is partly cultural and partly cost-of-living.
KJ: Do you have sadness or regret that your vote share is not high with PPP?
GMS: We are failing in that sense, but no regrets at that. I am an activist more than a politician. I think the way forward we still need a third force.
KJ: SDP?
GMS: The issue with SDP is continuity. Chee is coming up to 70, but there is no designated successor. They have been heavily infiltrated in the past, so he needed to protect himself and his party. In terms of policy perspective, SDP has a stronger policy set than WP. That is why we say WP is Team B, they have PAP policy, take a bit, add a bit. SDP has a very clear policy perspective. At least they try to stand on their own, they have a certain ideology.
KJ: What about NSP- it has fallen a long way since the 2011 GE?
GMS: NSP- I thought Nicole Seah and Tony Tan could bring glory to NSP, but I was wrong. They fought among themselves, that’s the issue, and it just fell apart. When I leave, they fought against me. After I left, they fought among themselves. It’s a very human thing, when you look at human psychology. We might have to wait for another 20 years to see the real democratic progress in the system. In fact, 20 years is to be very optimistic. Hopefully, we will not be thrown into chaos. If you do a Malaysia-Singapore analysis, you will see Malaysian politicians have more EQ and that will bring you a lot of progress. If Anwar does another term, I think that Malaysia may surpass Singapore.
KJ: Chee has been able to improve his vote percentage in recent years.
GMS: The reason why Chee got a better show was because of geographical. Most new citizens prefer the east and the west. The west is mostly Malaysian Chinese (who have residency). They stay there because of Tuas and to be near to home, the causeway. The east is mostly new migrants. Sembawang up north is the real Singaporeans who are up there because it is cheaper. Sembawang has a younger population. Last time in Sembawang, it is Chinese gangs and Indian gangs that are there, they support PAP. Now things are changing, mostly Singapore-born are moving to the new-built flats. That makes the change. It is the same with Punggol- more of the local youngsters reside there. That’s why the WP could win it. I do not have the stats about how people move around.
KJ: Why is the west so strong for PAP?
GMS: Malaysian Chinese
and it’s also gangland. The biggest secret society gang is in Jurong, it’s been
incorporated into the grassroots. You have to understand how the gangs worked-
it was to protect their village. The PAP did not destroy the gangs but co-opted
them. It used to be Barisan Sosialis. In general, if you have younger people,
the land is more fertile for the opposition. When you get older you tend to be
more conservative. The new citizens in Punggol, Sembawang, they will be ready
for a change. The WP [this should read SDP if we are referring to the 2025
general election] did badly in Bukit Panjang; it is infested by new citizens. You
will understand why geographic distribution of citizens matters.
I am
not so optimistic in the future because we have so many new citizens. The
opposition parties have to bring them in. New migrants from the big countries-
India, China- they keep to themselves. You see the WhatsApp groups. The Chinese
are very cosy in their own communities. They are less close to the locals who
are English-speaking. It would be very difficult for the opposition to
penetrate them. The PAP is effective because there are benefits in joining the
grassroots. In parts of the grassroots, the new citizens are taking over. Their
votes may actually increase.
One
of the critical mistakes is when Lawrence Wong talked about the Chinese versus
Japanese. That actually created a fire
among the new migrants. That’s partly why I see the new migrants will have such
an impact on the social fabric. Now they are clamping down on some websites in
case they are foreign actors trying to influence local politics, but most are
actually Chinese-based. There is no law against foreigners commenting on
politics.
China has a unification department where they go around the world to engage all Chinese to support the One China policy. The unification group is active in Singapore. They are doing all the cultural things. When there are issues that touch on the One China policy, they will be activated.
KJ: Do you think that the west can be won by the opposition?
GMS: No [laughs and
shakes his head]. The WP does not even go to the west to sell Hammers
anymore because we know the stats.
The new citizens will become restless. When they see the opportunities in their original countries, they may go back. In 2011, I was one of the first to complain about the new citizens.
*****THE END*****
Footnote 1: I use the word
‘stagnant’ to describe the WP, GMS agrees.








